Lord Palmer mentions Jewish refugees in debate

In a recent debate in the British House of Lords proposed by Lord Langrish, the Bishop of Exeter, about discrimination against Arab-Israelis,  Lord Palmer of Childs Hill (pictured), a Liberal member of the House, was the only individual to raise the question of Jews expunged from countries. He also queries the double standards according to which inequalities in Israel are examined under the microscope, while Arab states are never held to account for the sorry plight of their minorities (with thanks: Lily):

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill: My Lords, the previous time
I spoke in the same debate as the right reverend Prelate was a year ago
when your Lordships’ House debated Christianity in the Middle East. I
remember his words in December 2011 when he said,

    “almost every community-Muslims,
    Christians, Jews; Arabs, Kurds, Copts, Israelis, Palestinians and
    Turks-seeing themselves, with some justification, as a minority”.

He also said,

    “the primary victims of religious extremism in the Muslim world are other Muslims”.-[Official Report, 9/12/11; col. 934.]

Sadly, to be a Jew in most countries of
the region is not comfortable or even possible in many places.
Christians such as the Copts of Egypt are under severe pressure. Like
the noble Lord, Lord Bew, I declare an interest: I am vice-president of
the Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel, and I welcome the right reverend
Prelate’s good intentions and masses of facts within his speech. As a
Liberal Democrat, I must declare that I am against any unequal society,
wherever it is.

The right
reverend Prelate told mainly a story of a half-empty glass. I will try
to tell a story of a half-full glass and how the Israeli Government,
unlike their neighbours, are working hard to improve the situation of
their minorities-in my view, not quickly enough; the sooner it happens
the better. (…)

I would have hoped that the right
reverend Prelate and other noble Lords, while detailing the
inequalities-which do exist-would at least have mentioned some of the
actions being taken to rectify those problems. As has been mentioned,
there are numerous organisations inside and outside Israel trying to
rectify those problems. That will take time but they should be given
credit for so doing.

This is all
against a background of Khaled Meshaal, the Hamas leader, on his very
recent visit to Gaza, referring to the liberation of Palestine in
Ramallah, Jerusalem, Haifa and Jaffa while the crowds yelled, “Hit, hit
Tel Aviv”. This is also at a time when 40,000 have been killed in Syria
without a demonstration in the UK. Nor were there Motions in this House
when Hamas shot men accused of being Israeli spies without even the
pretence of a trial. Their bodies were then dragged through the street
behind motorcycles. I am not saying that there are not inequalities for
Israeli Arabs-or Israeli Palestinians if you want-that need to be dealt
with and are being dealt with, but perhaps we should also reflect on the
bloody conflict between Sunni and Shia Muslims, the hounding of the
Christian Coptic community in Egypt, the unrest in a number of Middle
Eastern states and the toppling of regimes.(…)

The reasons for
inequalities in Israel, Britain and elsewhere are generally due to
education, employment and where you are in the food chain of life. The
aim in Israel and the UK is to improve the conditions of all by
improving opportunities for a better life.

Finally, it would
be good if the right reverend Prelate could also acknowledge that
850,000 Jews have been forcibly displaced and exiled from Arab countries
since 1948, and that justice for such Jewish refugees from Arab
countries has been expunged from the peace and justice narrative for the
past 65 years.

I trust that when
my noble friend the Minister replies she will say how Her Majesty’s
Government will acknowledge inequalities and discrimination
worldwide-not just in Israel-and not just the accusations against Israel
made in this debate.

Read debate transcript in full

Denis Vandervelde has written the following letter to Bishop Langrish:

“As someone who has travelled quite extensively in the Middle East, I was amazed at your motion re the status of Arab citizens of Israel. I can only presume you are not personally acquainted with the status of the citizenry of Israel, or of any of its neighbours. Because if you had, you would be struck, as I have been, by the blatant discrimination against non-Moslems, (and often against Moslems of the wrong stripe), in all the Moslem states of the area ; and the full rights enjoyed by ALL citizens in Israel, including the more than 20% who are Moslem or Christian.

When you do go, you will find that the so-called Arab Spring has destabilised most countries and led to greater discrimination, rather than less. You will not find it troubling, I imagine, that there are virtually no Jews left in the Arab world : they were all driven out (or in some places killed) more than a generation ago. But you should be worried : they had lived, however uncomfortably, in those cities and towns for more than two thousand years – longer by far than any Moslems, longer than almost all Christian communities : in cities like Baghdad they constituted a third of the population, (and incidentally most of the benevolent employers and administrators). But that is history, and no concern of a Christian Bishop.

“But when you seek to find your Christian colleagues in those countries, you will find it difficult in most – those who could get out, have done so – and horribly degrading in many others.  Bethlehem – King David’s city as well as Jesus’s shelter – was predominantly Christian in living memory : it is now a Moslem city. In Egypt, the wretchedly poor Copts, more than 10% of the population whose plight has been studiously ignored by their Western brethren, are now completely marginalised, their churches burnt, their daughters forcibly married to Moslem men, their humble homes and businesses closed or appropriated.  You must be aware that the Christian element in every Arab country, (not to mention other Moslem states like Pakistan and Indonesia), has declined dramatically, and may not survive.

“In Israel, on the other hand, the Christian population, (and the Moslem for that matter), has steadily increased since the founding of the state. Arabs, regardless of religious affiliation, have full citizen rights. Are you aware that they have several M.K.s who proclaim their hope to destroy the state which pays them ? That Arabs have held some of the highest positions in society – judges, ambassadors, government ministers, even the Miss Israel title ?  And a much higher standard of living than any of their cousins in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Libya or Gaza. Not to mention much better expectation of a long life.

“In short, I think that Israel is a model for a Middle-eastern multiracial society. It seems most Arabs in the West Bank agree with me. Whenever there is talk of a division of Jerusalem and the Holyland, most of them seem to want to be sure they are living on the Israeli side of the line. Who can blame them ?

“You need not take my word for this perspective : in Baghdad the tiny rump of the Anglican church is nursed by a very brave friend of mine, the Rev. Andrew White. I suggest you ask him where in that troubled region there is the LEAST discrimination against a minority faith.”

Yours sincerely,

Denis Vandervelde,  London,



  • whenillThe free world needs more people like the honest Lord Palmer, and Denis Vandervelde whose comment is so enlightening and clear. They both show the prevalent hypocrisy and double standard when it comes to Israel.
    It is also because of the so called impartial NGO’s (such as the Red Cross, Amnesty, Oxfam, War on Want, Christian Aid and many others who are happy to jump on their bandwagon) that the Middle Eastern tyrants got and still get away with murder. These NGO’s are motivated by the hatred of Israel rather than the love of Palestinians. They have highjacked the Westerners’ attention and as a result Africans and Syrians are dying in their hundreds of thousands while we are so focused and concerned about the Palestinians, whose plight by comparison in pure luxury in all aspects of life. They are unable, or rather unwilling to see that Israel is the only non apartheid place in the neighbourhood. They are not motivated by love, concern or humanity for the Palestinians, otherwise they would have organised marches and boycotted Syria for shelling the Palestinian refugee camp Yarmuch in Syria and killing scores of refugees. They would also have boycotted Turkey for illegally occupying North Cyprus since 1974, China for its treatment of Tibet, Morocco regarding the occupying of Western Sahara and the list is endless. Inconsistencies must not be tolerated.

  • That last round found me abroad and so I missed those rockets for the first time in the past twelve years. Not quite the same, although I had to worry whether my home was still up and pray that people where I was haven't been watching the news 🙂

  • Hope not! Your informed comments much missed.
    (I imagined you had been stuck in a shelter in Sderot most of the time.)

  • "Finally, it would be good if the right reverend Prelate could also acknowledge that 850,000 Jews have been forcibly displaced and exiled from Arab countries since 1948, and that justice for such Jewish refugees from Arab countries has been expunged from the peace and justice narrative for the past 65 years."

    I don't think it could have been said any better.

    It seems like the Christians of Britain too have their little "as-a-Christian" tyrants.

    What is going on in Christian-majority African countries at the moment is just devastating.

    The Israel-Palestinian conflict pales next to the suffering inflicted in the Congo, Nigeria and others.I have been reading African newspapers and I can't believe the indifference of their white brothers. It's just heart-breaking to read those news.


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